So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. They just end up in these places. And why would they what. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Theres tracks everywhere. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Can you look into this picture. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. We'd love to have you in the queue. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Caller: I do. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Patrick Tate: Yes. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. It was not a bobcat. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Absolutely. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Thank you. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. A lot of times. Well thanks for sharing. Sam Evans Brown. About Lions. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. I'll send it to you. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Early in the morning. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. He said matter of fact I do. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Mountain Lions in New England: Sightings, Science & Bobcat vs Mountain Lion Alleged mountain lion sightings put Derry, Windham residents on edge Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Let's look for other evidence. That's next time on one day. Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center But you've done some reporting on this. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Windham Life and Times - November 15, 2019 Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. New Hampshire Public Radio | Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. So what those ranges. I'm Peter Biello. 44-N Links. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Your support makes this news available to everyone. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. It's good to talk to you. Does not test random Scouts. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. And it was unmistakable. And so. So so. Have it reported down in the Keene area. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. Saddleback Mountain Lions Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. You know interactions are pretty unusual. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Share. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 If so that's for us as an agency. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. So take care of this problem. You need a permit to have that. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Mike thanks for your call. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. Or years or so. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. Part II. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. Why are there so many false positives? While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. John is calling from Bennington. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. What's going on. Here it is. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium.